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Offline SSMinnow

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New Rod & Reel
« on: December 15, 2012, 04:17:10 pm »
I'm looking to gear up for next year.  This summer was my first crack at kayak fishing as obviously, I'm now and addict!  So I was looking to doing some research into gear on the off season.  Can anyone recommend a rod & reel for the shores and tributaries of Lake St Clair?  I'm not going to make a profession out of it, so i don't want to break the bank, but what are some recommendations?  I'd be fishing mostly perch, walleye and bass.
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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2012, 07:34:51 am »
Welcome SSMinnow!

Take a trip to BassPro and talk to a salesperson at the counter where all the reels are.  You should get a decent spinning reel setup for about $150.  Spool with 8 or 10lb braid.

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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2012, 02:16:56 pm »
What about baitcasters? Same parameters - good quality but bank loan not required.  ;D Anyone?
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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2012, 08:12:19 am »
With a baitcaster reel you usually want to spend a bit more to get
the anti backlash and drag features of a quality reel.
Like spinning outfits make sure the rod and reel combination are balanced.
There's lots to choose from and in selecting, it comes down to what you are
doing with it. There's a trend to technique specific combos....ie worming,flipping,
cranking, bottom bouncing...........
Also gear ratios, 5,6, or 7 are to be considered, with 5 good for slow presentations
such as worming, and 7 good for burning a spinnerbait.

Also if you are right handed, consider getting a left handed reel so that you are not
passing the rod to the other hand after each cast, but if you are mainly trolling get a right handed one. ( visa versa for lefties  ;) )

I have a shimano caenan ( 6.5 gear ratio ) and an Abu Garcia 7' vendatta rod ( MH ) with 40 lb braid outfit which is okay for a lot of techniques. Often tie on like a 10lb floro leader.

Like PK says see the guy at the sales counter.  :)
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Offline Red Rocket

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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2012, 10:46:55 am »
When I fished with my dad as a kid (long, long ago) about the only kind of reels in existence were bait-casting type reels, which I learned to cast with. Then spinning reels came along which were touted as the be-all and end-all, and now the bait-casters are back. For most of my adult life I fished only infrequently then took it up again about 10 years ago, always with spinning gear.

My question is, why use a baitcaster at all - why not just stay with the spinning models? In kayaks we're sitting so close to the water the underhand pitch you see so much on tv is pretty much eliminated (I think) so that technique is not an issue (I think). I see plenty of baitcasters at the various tourneys and would be interested to hear comments from the affectionados. I'm not biased, just curious.
Don

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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2012, 11:23:07 am »
Generally speaking baitcasters are better for the bigger lures, and spinning
gear for the smaller or finesse stuff.
Casting a spinning reel is a two hand operation with flipping the bail, a baitcaster
is one. I use to like the spinning reels with triggers, ie "quickfire", but there is no
anti reverse with those reels, and anti reverse helps with that all important hook-set.
Also when a fish ( or snag ) takes drag on a spinning reel, there is line twist being created.
Spinning reels have that reverse reeling switch so that you can back reel instead of having the fish take drag but hardly anyone uses it. I find you have to change the line more often on spinning gear cause of this line twist.
Generally speaking baitcasters do a better job of line management on the spool
than spinning reels if you can avoid those nasty backlash birdnests.  ;D
« Last Edit: December 17, 2012, 01:20:29 pm by EagleEyesFlash »
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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2012, 03:28:48 pm »
Thanks, Brent.

Re fixing backlashes, check it out. Baitcaster How To: Trick For Clearing Backlashes
Don

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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2012, 06:21:13 pm »
Sweet, nice trick! I could have saved myself a whole lot of trouble a whole bunch of times if I knew that trick years ago.
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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2012, 08:18:50 pm »
With baitcasters its all thumb control and remembering to adjust the tension knob
with each different weight lure to avoid birdnests....takes some practice.

SSMinnow,
Don't think you have to spend $150.00 for a decent spinning outfit.
I'm a  bit of a Canadian Tire guy and their high end combos go on sale every year.
Have an Abu Garcia "Specialist"..IM8 rod..regulary like $90.00 got for $50.00 and a
Quantum Octane 30...6'6" high modulus rod with split handle..8 bearing reel combo
for like $90.00 vs the regular price of $140.00.
Both work great, and will last a life time if cleaned , lubricated and drag loosened
during storage.
The real expensive reels are mainly made of graphite and exotic metals for light weight.

For line on spinning reels consider the new Nanofil, been hearing good reviews.  :)
« Last Edit: December 19, 2012, 08:55:50 am by EagleEyesFlash »
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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2012, 07:34:01 am »
EEF has the right idea with the Canadian Tire outfits when they're on sale. It's not as good as some of the stuff you can dump your money into, but it's going to work pretty well for you. Just look for 6+ bearing reels, and IM6, IM7 or IM8 graphite rods, they will make a huge difference over the cheaper equipment.
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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2013, 11:38:13 pm »
Thanks for the responses everyone.  I can't wait for mother nature to wake up and serve up some nice weather so I can get back out there.
I'm using an Canadian Tire special now, that I bought when I first started fishing, so maybe i'll keep using it until I learn a little more.
Thanks again!

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Re: New Rod & Reel
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2013, 12:17:06 am »
I must have been busy with other stuff and didn't see this in December.

Brent, fantastic info. SSMinnow, you should know that the rest of us were taking notes too  ;D

Please post throughout the season, whether it's a perch or bass. Great to see some ladies enjoying this sport/way of life - just saw Nikki's post on the home page as well.

Hope you have a great year.
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