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Offline Perogie

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Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« on: March 10, 2011, 09:12:23 pm »
Is it worth the extra cash to upgrade it from the Nylon series to the fiberglass?
Anyone own one of the Magic series?
I am actually contemplating between the Magic Plus and the Magic Nylon.
Hopefully, someone has some feedback.
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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2011, 08:55:56 am »
I don't have this paddle.  That being said, I picked up a nylon bladed paddle on a fiberglass shaft for my kids to use (220cm $110 paddle).  I normally use a fiberglass paddle/shaft (15+ yr old $200 paddle).  Things I noticed:
1. The all glass is a lot lighter.
2. The all glass is a lot stiffer, the cheaper paddle has a bit of torque(?) when you paddle.  Meaning the strokes don't go through the water as smoothly.  Likely because the nylon flexes.
3.  The more expensive paddle is better put together, especially with the ferrules.
4.  The cheaper paddle caused pretty brutal blisters on my kid (after 2km of paddling).  It is slightly rougher on my hands (should I soak in palmolive?), but no biggy.
5.  The more expensive paddle is a 230cm I bought for sea kayaking, maybe 15 years ago.  It went through a 8 year period of sitting in the garage.  The paddle is still good, and since I moved from a sea kayak to a SOT the length is perfect (it was a bit long before).  The point here is that I spent a little bit more $$ at the time on the paddle, and it is still doing me well.

I've been looking at more modern carbon paddles, but nothing really catches my fancy.  Paddle is probably the most important investment in making your kayak perform (unless it came with peddles).


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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 09:49:56 am »
Hey Madge, your dating yourself with the palmolive reference. :D
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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2011, 10:33:51 pm »
I don't have this paddle.  That being said, I picked up a nylon bladed paddle on a fiberglass shaft for my kids to use (220cm $110 paddle).  I normally use a fiberglass paddle/shaft (15+ yr old $200 paddle).  Things I noticed:
1. The all glass is a lot lighter.
2. The all glass is a lot stiffer, the cheaper paddle has a bit of torque(?) when you paddle.  Meaning the strokes don't go through the water as smoothly.  Likely because the nylon flexes.
3.  The more expensive paddle is better put together, especially with the ferrules.
4.  The cheaper paddle caused pretty brutal blisters on my kid (after 2km of paddling).  It is slightly rougher on my hands (should I soak in palmolive?), but no biggy.
5.  The more expensive paddle is a 230cm I bought for sea kayaking, maybe 15 years ago.  It went through a 8 year period of sitting in the garage.  The paddle is still good, and since I moved from a sea kayak to a SOT the length is perfect (it was a bit long before).  The point here is that I spent a little bit more $$ at the time on the paddle, and it is still doing me well.

I've been looking at more modern carbon paddles, but nothing really catches my fancy.  Paddle is probably the most important investment in making your kayak perform (unless it came with peddles).

Great, I will probably resort to the fiberglass because that was what I was leaning towards.
I read up on the palmolive trick.
Pretty neat.
I just want to be comfortable in pushing around a 15" yak.
Hopefully fiberglass will be my good choice.
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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2011, 02:02:45 pm »
Alright Ill bite,

What's the Palmolive trick that you guys speak of?

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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2011, 02:45:31 pm »
About 20 years ago there was a commercial for palmolive dish soap, in which 2 old dollies were chatting, one was a manicurist the other her client. The client is soaking her hand in a greenish liquid,The manicurist tells her client buddy how mild palmolive is and it helps heal rough hands. Her client sez "really, is it mild"
the manicurist sez " mild, as a matter of fact you're soaking in it now" the client looks shocked and for the next 10 years it was Palmolives tag line
the old broads name was Madge.
which is why when rock bass made the reference to soaking his hands in palmolive I said "Madge you're dating yourself" At least that's what I thought he was referring to. What perogie was talking about is anyones guess maybe there is a trick with palmolive but unless it's foolin old broads to soak in dish soap I have no idea. sometimes it sucks getting old, you remember crap that is totally frickin useless FOR EVER
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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2011, 08:31:03 am »
Yup Rick, it is scary, can still picture the commercial, must have watched too much TV as a kid, but you couldn't really miss the commercial back then.  I wouldn't be surprised if the commercial is closer to 35 years ago.  Sorry guys, there is no trick that I know of (expect that water skiers use it to slide into neoprene booties on the ski).

I only brought up the reference because I don't get blisters on the higher end paddle compared to the lower end (actually my 12 YO daughter managed to get nasty blisters in 2 km of paddling).  I only brought the shorter nylon paddle that weekend and the difference in quality was noticeable.  4 months of paddling and I would get chaffed on the cheaper paddle.
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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2011, 08:32:51 am »
Thanks, good to know I guess...  LOL, now I have that completely fricking useless information that Im going to remember forever.  Here I thought it was going to be some amazing home remedy to make the paddle handle (Ive seen the razzing for writing 'shaft') less rough or something.

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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2011, 09:08:03 am »
other Palmolive tips**I use Palmolive to get my worms. spray a bunch on the grass and soak the ground a bunch and the worms come up to snatch for fishing. ha.

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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2011, 09:15:13 am »
More than you would ever want to know about the commercial.  I was born in '66, so it seems I was brainwashed for the next 25 years.

http://www.tvacres.com/admascots_madge.htm

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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 10:34:15 am »
Like the signature sez "you're never to old to learn something stupid"
or too young for that matter. As you get older you won't remember things that make a difference or things that will do you some good. But you will remember damn near ever useless bit of trivia you ever hear. Great for sitting on the couch watching 'cash cab' or 'win Ben Stine's money' Pretty much useless in "The game of life" (another useless 60's reference)
And you thought it was all gonna be usefull information about kayak fishing HAHAHA
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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2011, 05:27:27 pm »
Omgah; Jeff, I did that when I was a child.
Ha.

My uncle used to make me do that because he hated touching worms.
So he always took me out fishing forthe designated worm touching and rigging guy.
Haha.

nyways; what I was talking about before was this guy used to rub palmolive over his hands and sok them for abut 15 inutes before he gt on his kayak to reduce blistering whe paddling.

Hah.

Dont know if it works though.
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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2011, 12:39:53 pm »
I hear some use fingerless bicycle gloves. 8)

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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2011, 01:08:14 pm »
kokatat makes a great paddling glove. I have a pair. They are nice enough to flycast in without loosing any sensitivity or having bulk. Have a peak.
http://www.kokatat.com/products/hand-jackets/light-weight-hand-jacket.html

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Re: Carlisle Magic Plus, Members Input?
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2011, 08:42:45 am »
ah nice gloves! I never wore gloves,even shoveling snow in the winter,If nothing else paddling will toughen up some of those hands out there. grin and bare it!


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