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Title: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: hoc on February 07, 2011, 02:05:13 pm
Ok I know a whole lot of us are in new Trident's this spring thanks to Paul at Ecological Adventures so lets have a thread to discuss and share our rigging plans.  I'm holding off to do any drilling until the weather improves but here is the plan so far on my end.

For main dry storage I put together this thing last season with a pet food container that I found at pets unlimited for about $60.  I added a few "inchworm" rings to either side to facilitate holding it down and screwed in some cut PVC rod holders on each corner.  It fit perfectly into the old big game's stern area and looks it it will do the same in the Trident 15, maybe just a bit more snug.  It's hard to see in this pic but this thing has a great lid with large threads that you can easily work with one hand and it stays very dry inside.

(http://jeremyhockin.com/tempimg/photo2.jpg)

I got the idea from this gentleman's fantastic blog:  http://saltwateryakfisherman.blogspot.com/2010/04/kayak-livewell-dry-box-part-2.html (http://saltwateryakfisherman.blogspot.com/2010/04/kayak-livewell-dry-box-part-2.html)


I used a Pelican case last year to keep my cell, keys and other valuable in last year but this year I'm thinking of replacing it with this Plano 1612 Marine Box.  The thought behind this is, that space would be better served to hold tackle, rather than electronics that can be stuffed in the larger dry container behind it. They are only $16 bucks or so but I can't seem to source one locally and the shipping is more than the box.

(http://www.flatseas.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PLANO-1812-50-2T.jpg)


The fish finder seems like it will be straight forward, I'm going to pick up a new one this spring when Canadian Tire has their sale and just install it under the sonar shield.  I'll likely run the cables through a drilled hole behind the unit and put a rubber gasket and some silicone in there.  The transducer will likely get mounted in the hull with marine goop.

One thing I'm having a hard time deciding is rod mount positions.  I think I will go with 4 Scotty mount plates and 2 baitcaster/1 fly rod holders to move around the 3 mounts.  First through was putting them up front by the fish finder but that is quite a reach on the T15, starting to think about mounting two of them behind the seat near the stock flush-mounts.  What are you guys planning in this regard?

Also please post any pics if you have already started rigging.

Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: ppaauull0 on February 07, 2011, 05:35:11 pm
I haven't started yet, I'll be keeping mine pretty basic, fish finder, gps, anchor trolley, scotty mounts, scotty beacon ( one of the prizes from the tourney-thanks CKA) I'll probably just use a milk crate in the well if I can find one. When do you think will be your first outing on the salt CP?
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Admin on February 07, 2011, 05:56:22 pm
My parts of the prizes were mailed out recently but I have to get after Russ to send his out. Hoping to figure that out asap.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: hoc on February 07, 2011, 06:07:37 pm
Well I'm hoping to get out on the lakes as early as mid march if the thaw cooperates.  Places like Kinsac and Fish lake will be open before Apr 1 for pickerel.  As for the salt I think that it is fairly slow until late June here, but I know some locals catch winter flounder and cod so I might be out there in March as well assuming I get rigged before then. 

I hope you guys are down for a lot of weekend trips this season because I'll likely be out on overnight yakking outings every chance I get.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: John Gibson on February 07, 2011, 09:02:36 pm
My plans are pretty simple.
Milk Crate
Plano dry box
scotty mounts (2 up front probably 2 behind my seat)
light beacon
mount for my xshot
Fish finder/gps.

eventually ill be adding a rudder as well.

Jeremy lemme know when you go fishing for Pickerel, id be in for this.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Axor on February 08, 2011, 03:07:53 am
Why scotty mount? we have found the ram mount a lot more versatile and hard wearing.
Here are some of my rigging for a T13
http://www.canadiankayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=690.0 (http://www.canadiankayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=690.0)
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: John Gibson on February 08, 2011, 09:31:43 am
Personally, i know Scotty products better then i do  the RAM products.
thats my only real reason.
do you find that the ram mounts allow for items to get caught up more then scotty mounts?
Axor, where did you get your fittings from? (the water tight seals). 
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Axor on February 08, 2011, 04:18:51 pm
Ouird, I think you have just as much chance getting caught up on both types, but I have had less trouble with the ram tubes than anything else.
If you mean the water tight seals for the fishfinder, they are electrical glad and can be purchased from Home Depot, just make sure you fill the backs of them with sealant once they are fitted.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: hoc on February 15, 2011, 09:25:14 am
Having a really rough time trying to find the ideal spot to mount 2 rod holders (scotty).  On the 15', putting them up by the sonar shield makes them unreachable from the seated position and stretch even when sitting side saddle, but I really dont see any alternatives.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Axor on February 15, 2011, 09:33:16 am
How about mounting the by your feet to the inside of the kayak, a lot of guys here to that and use the scotty extensions, the rods sit at the right height and angle then also. If I can fins a picture I will link or put it up for you

Try this link   

http://static.flickr.com/105/268078064_654c69fc5c_o.jpg (http://static.flickr.com/105/268078064_654c69fc5c_o.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: BobD on February 15, 2011, 09:42:43 am
@Captain Plastic... I have a Trident 13, but I can certainly understand the reach issue by having something up near the sonar shield.  I only use a single Scotty mount, but I placed it on my rod pod cover.  Far enough forward that it isn't in my face, but easy enough to reach when I want it.  With the new rod pod covers this should be even easier to do, as it is supposed to be already set up for easy mounting of these mounts.

If you do want 2 mounts, one option would be to use the triple rod mount and mount it on the rod pod.

Of course if you expect to be in and out of the rod pod while out on the water, then this is probably not the best option for you.  Personally I didn't like getting in and out of it a lot on the water, so it was an easy choice for me.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: hoc on March 10, 2011, 08:11:53 am
Well my rigging is done for now. I will add an anchor trolley sometime this spring as well as an anchor on a retractable dive reel, but now I just want to get on the water.

(http://jeremyhockin.com/IMG-20110308-00023.jpg)

I'm going to add some dividers to the inside of my main dry storage container because right now it is just a massive area for things to tangle up and get lost, it really does hold a ton of stuff though which is great and allows me to use my old dry container (pelican case) for the fish finder when its disconnected.


(http://jeremyhockin.com/IMG-20110308-00020.jpg)

I'm pleased with how the bungee replacement holds the rod pod, plus it has added some extra rigging to hold pliers and other equipment, the top right corner can also be locked in for a better seal.  The scotty rod extenders are just long enough to allow me to reach them from the seated position, but I honestly doubt I will be using them too often, trolling with the fly rod and drift fishing for flounder are the only circumstances that I can think of.

I attached rare earth magnets evenly spaced under the rod pod lid which magnetizes the whole surface enough that you can throw a lure at it and have it stick, it will also hold pliers, etc.  (thanks to ouird for the idea)

(http://jeremyhockin.com/IMG-20110305-00015.jpg)

I'm strongly considering adding a stern hatch to this boat.  As you can see in the 15 there is a metric shit-ton of below-deck storage wasted in the stern.  I found in my big game my camping gear that I shoved back there was very hard to retrieve by reaching in the hatch in front of the seat.  In this boat it will be even harder as the only access is the rod pod and the stern is so much longer than in the big game.  A 6-8' hatch back there would at least allow you to remove small items and push the big ones back up towards the rod pod for removal, and if not that then maybe a few cut up pool noodles as dividers to keep things from getting lost back there.


Can't wait to get out, come on spring!

Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: John Gibson on March 10, 2011, 08:39:46 am
Nice man!!!!
I got the same idea for holding my yak up.. (crappy tire saw horses, that were on sale, and foam blocks lol).  
the FF is enroute.. so im itching to get at that.  
Where did you Mount your Transducer?

ive been tinkering a bit on some things for when everything ready to go...
Made my box for my battery, and added HD foam to secure it in there.
made my base mounts for the inside of my yak for my rod mounts.
paddle leash, rod leashes, rod holder on my crate.  
oh yes... and a new loader to get it up on my suv
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: BMAC on March 10, 2011, 08:48:26 am
I have a prowler13 and have a scotty triple bar mounted for rodholders etc.. I used stainless steel hardware and a ton of marine goop... For those of you who have mounted stuff on your kayak in places where you cannot reach from the inside...How do you attach the scotty mounts?
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: John Gibson on March 10, 2011, 08:57:40 am
you could likely screw them into the plastic and add Marine goop too the base, but be weary of stripping the plastic..
if youre going with the above route, id suggest cutting an extra base (from something like a cutting board) glueing the scotty mount to that, then the entire thing to the boat.. with goop, and screws, that should hold well.  just be sure to clean all surfaces, and make sure they are scuffed up to ensure a good hold/seal.

another way would be to use pop rivets (be sure you get the right ones, and off the top of my head, i cant recall the name of them), and goop the base, and holes.


keep in mind every hole you make in your yak, is more potential for leaks, and takes away from the structural integrity of the boat...
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: hoc on March 10, 2011, 09:02:12 am
Yeah pop rivets would be the best bet I guess.  I'm also addicted to goop, I go so overboard with it.  I was even considering gooping the tops of my stainless steel bolts to make sure that they dont rust in the salt water.  I thought about the cutting board base for my mounts and I think it would make a difference but I got lazy.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Laurentian on March 10, 2011, 02:52:29 pm


   I won't pretend to be Joe Know-all, but sometimes... ::)  Capt.Plast.

if you install a hatch in the back of you boat for storage, I hope that

you figured that you can't use your rod-pod for...rods :-\  Don't they

have to be 'slipped' toward the back? ;D


Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: hoc on March 10, 2011, 03:22:24 pm
The hatch would just be an access opening at the very stern of the boat, I don't see how that could effect use of the rod pod in any way.  I think I've changed my mind anyway, I believe I'm going to mount my transducer with duct putty instead of goop and place it just behind my seat below-deck.  Then I'll use a large foam brick, gooped to the hull as a divider to protect things from sliding to the stern and getting lost or hitting the transducer.  This will allow full use of the storage space from the seat to the bow, without any worry of knocking the transducer mount off, and also avoid things getting lost in back.  Rods can still run the length of the kayak in the rod pod because the brick is only 4" high, enough to stop sliding camping gear.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Rock Bass on March 10, 2011, 04:37:40 pm
Your rear bulkhead is a great idea, rods storage might be a problem (e.g. test this out first).  I think it is easier for me to put the rod in towards the back, instead of sliding it forward.  I'm generally in the way when I slide it forward.  Might not be a problem if you break the rod down though.  Regardless, little bits of gear get forgotten when they are in the hull, I have to lift the rear of the yak and give it a shake to slide forward in order to get it out.

Leaving gear in the hull is caused by swarms of mosquitoes after dusk, I just want to get out of there.  Later you realize you left a fly box in there or something.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: ppaauull0 on March 10, 2011, 05:39:11 pm
CP, if you bought your Hummingbird new, they will exchange the transducer for the type that fits in the scupper hole for free, also means that the temp guage will work, if you mount it in the hull it won't. I haven't done anything to my yak yet, it may even still be bare bones at the smallie slam. I have decided to keep the rod pod sealed as I don't think I will use it (mine is the none angler T15) which means that I can fix things to the rod pod cover and not worry about it leaking into the hull. On my big game I had the fish finder and rod mount fitted to it. I am also undicided whether or not to fit the fish finder in the sonar shield because I think it is too far away, its a struggle to reach it, what do you guys think?
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: hoc on March 10, 2011, 07:34:01 pm
I decided against the scupper transducer because I'm pretty rough on the bottoms of my yaks.  I think you are right that for most of our purposes you would be fine without the rod pod at all, not like many of the good fishing spots here are in the surf anyway.  I find the sonar shield appears close enough for the fish finder, but if ou go with a higher end model with gps and the like i would want it closer so you could operate the menu.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Perogie on March 16, 2011, 01:03:49 am
Awesome tips;
I can't wait to get mine.

Did anyone else try out the dry box/ live bait tank that is white?
I really want one.
Haha.

Where did you get the pet box to use as the container?
PetSmart?
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: hoc on March 17, 2011, 10:29:51 am
I got it at pets unlimited but it appears to be common at any large pet store.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Perogie on March 17, 2011, 10:32:39 am
Excellent.
Thanks.  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Mike on March 17, 2011, 10:47:11 am
CP, if you bought your Hummingbird new, they will exchange the transducer for the type that fits in the scupper hole for free, also means that the temp guage will work, if you mount it in the hull it won't. I haven't done anything to my yak yet, it may even still be bare bones at the smallie slam. I have decided to keep the rod pod sealed as I don't think I will use it (mine is the none angler T15) which means that I can fix things to the rod pod cover and not worry about it leaking into the hull. On my big game I had the fish finder and rod mount fitted to it. I am also undicided whether or not to fit the fish finder in the sonar shield because I think it is too far away, its a struggle to reach it, what do you guys think?

"All transducer-equipped Humminbird products come standard with a transom-mounted transducer. However, we also offer these optional models:

* Puck (Shoot thru single layer fiberglass hull)
* Angled Puck (Shoot thru single layer fiberglass hull)
* Trolling Motor
* Portable
* Thru-Hull (plastic or bronze)

If you'd prefer one of the above, you're welcome to exchange your transducer, through our factory, for no charge unless you require a bronze or plastic thru-hull transducer. Call our Customer Resource Center at 1-800-633-1468 for pricing."

I've tried - Sorry boys, not free.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Perogie on March 17, 2011, 12:54:30 pm
I thought it was just shipping fees we needed to pay?
Ah, I'm going to be living on the street after all this. Haha. ;D
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: phattrick on March 17, 2011, 02:07:07 pm
No you won't....... You'll be living in your kayak ;D
Flip it upside down put a couple of sticks in the scupper holes to hold one side up. throw a tarp over it and it makes a heck of a lean to. ;D
Rick
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Perogie on March 17, 2011, 05:47:28 pm
HAHA.
That is so true.
I should look into that as well.
Rent out my condo and live in my Ultra 4.7  :P
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: John Gibson on March 17, 2011, 05:49:33 pm
Got my Fish Finder today!!!
hoping to get my kayak transducer kit in soon so i can install this rig!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Perogie on March 17, 2011, 10:29:13 pm
Which fishfisnder did you purchase?
Humminbird 385ci ?  :'(
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: John Gibson on March 18, 2011, 04:43:31 am
no sir.
i got a Humminbird 728
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Perogie on March 18, 2011, 02:07:55 pm
Well, Conragts on your new FF.  :P
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: phattrick on March 18, 2011, 02:57:35 pm
Perogie. Is that your picture. I thought you'd be taller hahahahaha
Rick
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Perogie on March 18, 2011, 03:07:22 pm
Haha; yeah, it is.
I'm not SHORT.
haha.

6'1".
However; my girlfriend seems to think my head is abnormally huge.
She always points the projector on my head and said the picture is better on my head than it is on our 50" projector screen.  :(
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: ppaauull0 on March 20, 2011, 03:55:40 pm
Just had a few very nervous minutes drilling 2 big holes in my kayak :-\
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: JeffGoudreau on March 20, 2011, 04:31:36 pm
Looking good man!! Are you going to add plugs or stoppers to those flushmounts? Did you seal it up nice :)
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: ppaauull0 on March 20, 2011, 04:57:10 pm
These ones already have the sealed ends, I'm just waiting for a delivery from Hook1, I'm going to use Klamptite rivets.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: John Gibson on March 20, 2011, 05:30:58 pm
Paul, did you put your order in with hook1 yet?
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: ppaauull0 on March 20, 2011, 06:35:06 pm
Yes, did it this morning, if you use them use the code hook12011 for 10% off
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: Perogie on March 20, 2011, 08:34:25 pm
Nice, i love deals.
I'll place an order soon!  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: John Gibson on March 20, 2011, 09:04:30 pm
Got some work Done today:
Got my transducer kit:

(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6934/dscf2257d.jpg)
installed the bracket
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8484/dscf2269h.jpg)
drug the yak in the house yesterday to plan out what i wanted to do...
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2856/dscf2274r.jpg)
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/571/dscf2273j.jpg)

What i got done today
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/7407/dscf2299.jpg)

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3841/dscf2303i.jpg)

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8933/dscf2306r.jpg)

a shot of my dry box, and crate:
(http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/930/dscf2308.jpg)

I removed the bungee where my dry box goes.  im going to rig up some bungee so i can just clip it in.
im going to add some hooks to my dry box and attach bungee to it vs having the Stock bungee hold it down.

I did a few things when i installed my rod holders..
I cut pieces of cutting board to use as a base inside the kayak to give it a little more strength. 
i wanted to do this with my fish finder too, but the cutting board was a bit too thick, and the way the sonar shield is designed i couldnt get the board behind it. 
Ill take pictures of the boards when i get more day light.  it started to get dark when i was finishing up. 
Im just glad i finally got the chance to work on it.

When i was installing my transducer, the goop they supply is odd.  its really greasy, and i was expecting something different.  it was this nasty looking green gunk.  I guess this stuff is better then marine goop since its not supposed to dry the same was marine goop does.  im wondering what happens when/if it gets wet though.  i guess we'll see.  im going to put some high density foam around the bracket to ensure water doesnt get in as easily.  I put the transducer right below where the sonar is.  im going to make a rig to cover it with my battery box.  i removed the bag that came with the boat.. but im not 100% if ill use it or not.

next will be rigging up my camera, my battery box, scotty mounts behind me... mainly for my camera.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: hoc on March 21, 2011, 09:01:52 am
Looking good, lets try to get out this coming weekend.  Had the yak out yesterday all day and it performed really well, went down some rough river patches and it even managed those without issue, pretty good for being almost 16'.  Stability was what I expected and the boat was very quick.  It was about 35kph winds yesterday and the yak did have a tendency to turn into the wind, but that was also expected.  I did notice that my forward mounts weren't very useful as I had to straddle the rod pod to reach them, so I mostly ended up trolling from the stock flush-mounts behind the seat.  Fish finder seems to work find through the duct seal putty so I'm going to stick with that for now and see how it performs over time.  6 hours on the water and no fish, the water is brutally cold and there is just no bite at all yet.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: John Gibson on March 21, 2011, 09:22:59 am
that would make for a long day lol. 
Ill email you about this weekend, i may already have a plan for getting out, i f you want in on it.
the mounts are a bit away, but i like that.  im not going to use them for trolling, and when im fishing,
i can see me straddling the rod pod quite a  bit.  im going to cut up some High density foam for that area so i dont destroy my knees.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: ppaauull0 on March 22, 2011, 06:00:40 pm
Did you get you Scotty Baitcaster rodholders locally ouird or did you send away for them, I went to Dartmouth Crossing CT but they only had the large type scotty's.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: hoc on March 22, 2011, 06:05:53 pm
TAO in downtown halifax has them as well as the fly rod holders.  I believe Fishing Fever also carries them all.
Title: Re: 2011 Trident Rigging Thread
Post by: John Gibson on March 22, 2011, 06:53:52 pm
Did you get you Scotty Baitcaster rodholders locally ouird or did you send away for them, I went to Dartmouth Crossing CT but they only had the large type scotty's.

Yeah, like CP said they have them at TAO on salter st downtown
they have other scotty stuff too (triple rod mounts, rocket launcher mounts, cup holders etc, base mounts, and iirc flush mounts too)
they got a shipment of PFD's, paddles etc etc. 
I told them they should start to stock fishing equipment too lol.